Please direct me to some polical poetry

[bruceruston]

I am looking to be directed to some polical poetry for research into how they wrote it for thier readers any ideas?

[Harry R]

polical?

[Monk Bretton]

By far the best polical poem I have come across,

"She was only a Pole Vaulter's Daughter (but she sure did know how to jump.)"

The .Barnard (http://www.dogbomb.co.uk/idiot-test/idiot.jpg) translation is the best

[bruceruston]

Yes something hard and edgy
Worker revolts, falling of the government that sort of thing

[bruceruston]

Gee thanks monk bretton

as i hover over your link i see it wants to go to some
.JPG file

Really helpfull that and such a pleasure to have you here with such high standards of debate.
Now i hope that paste was a mistake.

For a min, i thought i was in the humour section (ha)

[Dunc]

There's Eliot's Polical Cats.

Or is that Jellical?

If by chance you mean 'political' -

The grand old Duke of York,
He had ten thousand men.
He marched them up to the top of the hill
And he marched them down again.

When they were up, they were up,
And when they were down, they were down,
And when they were only half way up,
They were neither up nor down.

Or

Queen, Queen Caroline
Dipped her nose in turpentine.
Turpentine
Made it shine.
Queen, Queen Caroline.

Or

Thomas Gilbart's Declaration of the death of John Lewes, a most detestable and obstinate heretic, burned at Norwich the xviii day of September, 1583 ....

Marvel's An Horatian Ode Upon Cromwell's Return from Ireland

Dryden's Absalom and Achitophel

Just about anything by Burns.

And acres and acres of satires.

Regards / Dunc
[SIZE=1]That's only for a start, mind you[/SIZE]

[Donner]

Did you know there were 9,710 Google hits for "polical"?

Gads, that's scary.

[bruceruston]

Thanks Dunc

I am slowly going though Google with your suggestions. I was thinking sort of 1960 to present day poems. Nothing Marxist, just good old capitalists taking their best ‘shot at the man’.

By the way I am still chuckling about your two poems in the humour section.


Hi Donner
There were 9,710 Google hits for "polical"? Yes there were a few. Which is why I am here?

[Donner]

Originally posted by bruceruston

There were 9,710 Google hits for "polical"? Yes there were a few. Which is why I am here?

Just think how many you would have gotten if you'd googled "political" poetry.

Donner

[bruceruston]

Oh yes! Point taken I guess I am tired up at 6am still in the office now. Best I go home and try not to trip over my tail on the way.

Just think how many you would have gotten if you'd googled "political" poetry.


You are a stickler for the rules of English
The keyboard slipped honest that is my excuse and I am sticking to it.

[Monk Bretton]

I was thinking sort of 1960 to present day poems. Nothing Marxist, just good old capitalists taking their best ‘shot at the man’.

I can't guarantee that she isn't a marxist but this is as close to the above description as I can think of:


Sonia Sanchez


TCB

wite/motha/fucka
wite/motha/fucka
wite/motha/fucka
whitey.

wite/motha/fucker
wite/motha/fucker
wite/motha/fucker
ofay.

wite/mutha/fucka
wite/mutha/fucka
wite/mutha/fucka
devil.

wite/mutha/fucker
wite/mutha/fucker
wite/mutha/fucker
pig.

wite/mother/fucker
wite/mother/fucker
wite/mother/fucker
cracker.

wite/mother/fucka
wite/mother/fucka
wite/mother/fucka
honky.

now. that’s all sed
let’s get to work.



Damn fiddly that code stuff.

It's not a link, I typed it out myself, most post-1960 stuff isn't on the internet.

Monk.

[bruceruston]

that is not even worth a rep.............I Monk
It is bad enough that I am knackered after a long day of fighting our SMT and computers, who are wont to working when they wont to. My spelling has gone out of the window. to Harry's and Donners amusment (but that i dont mind as it took a few post's before i saw the light)
but that is not the poetry that i am after and i hope it is removed shorly by Donner or Harry

[bruceruston]

Right I am going to further focus here

Sonia Sanchez may be a serious poet to those who like reading her voice. I don’t it is a personal thing

But I am thinking something with good metaphors and intellectual use of language
A sort of boys from the black stuff, Bob Dylan attitude or may be some thing older
Eliot, Yeats or even Ted Hughes maybe Tony Harrison.

Left wing, right wing either way I don’t want anything to extreme

[Harry R]

Originally posted by bruceruston
[...] and i hope it is removed shorly by Donner or Harry

Well, it's not going to be.

[bruceruston]

Ok so there must not be a policy on swearing then I stand corrected

I wasn't approaching it from a poetry angle just the language

Could you clarify? What is ok and what is not. I guess there must be a link

[Donner]

Originally posted by bruceruston
Ok so there must not be a policy on swearing then I stand corrected

I wasn't approaching it from a poetry angle just the language

Could you clarify? What is ok and what is not. I guess there must be a link

Using "wite/mother/fucka" in your poetry is acceptable; calling someone here at the site a "wite/mother/fucka" is not.

now. that’s all sed let’s get to work.

Donner

[amaranthus]

Try Adrienne Rich.

I had an opportunity to hear her read two weeks ago and really enjoyed it. She comes from a Santa Cruz-liberal perspective (that means even rank and file Californians think she's crazy-liberal). After a while her tone can begin to grate; but even so, I enjoy reading her work in small doses. Here's one of the poems she read that I particularly enjoyed:


What Kind of Times are These
Adrienne Rich
from Dark Fields of the Republic

There's a place between two stands of trees where the grass grows uphill
and the old revolutionary road breaks off into shadows
near a meeting-house abandoned by the persecuted
who disappeared into those shadows.

I’ve walked there picking mushrooms at the edge of dread, but don’t be fooled,
this isn’t a Russian poem, this is not somewhere else but here,
our country moving closer to its own truth and dread,
its own ways of making people disappear.

I won't tell you where the place is, the dark mesh of the woods
meeting the unmarked strip of light--
ghost-ridden cross-roads, leafmold paradise:
I know already who wants to buy it, sell it, disappear.

And I won't tell you where it is, so why do I tell you
anything? Because you still listen, because in times like these
to have you listen at all, it's necessary
to talk about trees.




And just FYI - This was written around 1991.

Be well,
Carol

[bruceruston]

Thanks Amaranthus

That very useful so I am going to find some more of her work

Thanks Dunc

You have been a great help
Robert Burns is excellent
reading The Tree of Liberty carefully now line by line, before I search for some more

There seems to be a vacuum of poetry in this area.


Cheers
Bruce
(Poking his head out of the dog house, with L plates still attached)

[Arcadian]

zip

[bruceruston]

Thanks Arcadian
I am googling him now

[HowardM2]

One of the great political poets of the 20th century was Pablo Neruda, particularly his earlier work Residence on Earth, written between 1925 and 1945, and his magnificent Canto General, written largely during the 1940s. While these are all before the 1960s period you mentioned and Neruda was definitely a Marxist (it's not often that you find Stalin praised as a great leader and savior of his people by a non-Soviet poet), it's still powerful work.

[bruceruston]

I found this in my searching.
By Robert Burns

The Jolly Beggars: A Cantata

A fig for those by law protected!
Liberty's a glorious feast!
Courts for cowards were erected,
Churches built to please the priest.

This is what I am trying to find and focus on
Thanks to all so far

Anymore contributions welcome

[Kaltica]

"Poetry should never be political, since only Democrats understand it."

- from "The Helvetian Diaries"

[bruceruston]

Hi all

Thanks HowardM2 that is very helpfull to much to read in one sitting.

I am starting to feel like I have opened a can of worms
if it wasn't so interesting, I would feel like I wish I never started it.


Kaltica Wrote

"Poetry should never be political, since only Democrats understand it."

Then how would a poet express thier emotions to being supressed, cheated etc.. By a government or even a head of state

Ouch hot potato...

[Harry R]

Don't forget Shelley.

http://www.english.upenn.edu/~jlynch/FrankenDemo/PShelley/anarchy.html

[Harry R]

Or indeed Coleridge and Blake.

[bruceruston]

Thanks Harry R

For the link I will printed it out and study it

[HowardM2]

"Then how would a poet express thier emotions to being supressed, cheated etc.. By a government or even a head of state"

Canto General deals with exactly that situation in many of its sections; Neruda, as a widely-known and very influential figure in Chile, supported Gabriel Gonzalez Videla for president in the mid-1940s. Once elected, Videla revealed his true nature as a harshly repressive dictator who opened concentration camps for his political opponents. Neruda openly denounced him in the Chilean Congress, and himself became a hunted fugitive in consequence, hiding out for over a year until he was able to escape through the Andes to Argentina. Anumber of sections of Canto General deal with these events, especially Section X, "The Fugitive," and Section XIII, "New Year's Chorale for the Country in Darkness."

Needless to say, Neruda is not happy with Videla. It shows.

[bruceruston]

Hi Harry R

I have been reading The Mask of Anarchy but wonder who Shelly is comparing to the horsemen of the apocalypse is it the captains of the Yeomanry Cavalry. Or is it Mr Nadin the civil officer. Or someone else that the reader interprets for themselves.

I take it the King is George III ‘ I am god, and King, and Law’ this make him sound Pompous, I guess that was intentional
I am confused as to who the shape arrayed in mail is. Is this a reference to Mr Hunt the Leader of the reformers?

[Harry R]

The first three horsemen - Castlereagh, Sidmouth and Eldon - were Foreign Secretary, Home Secretary, and Lord Chancellor respectively.

[bruceruston]

ah Law makers and policy Makers Thanks

[bruceruston]

I take it the last horseman was not a person but a state of behaviour and not the king like I thought. Shelly is saying anarchy rules above all else

[bruceruston]

Sorry about asking a few more questions
But are there a maximum number of posts to a thread.

And more importantly I have been thinking about all the political pieces I have been reading. I wonder if writing such a piece harmed their standing as respected Poets.
Did Shelly suffer any consequences of writing The Mask of Anarchy?

[Arcadian]

zip

[bruceruston]

Thanks Arcadian

You wrote
why not read further Bruce ? ... the tale doesnot end there!

I will do some Reading into his bio this week. I have not read much of his work yet but I will

Cheers
Bruce