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Dunc
03-12-2002, 01:45 PM
This is a musing on the weight of syllables when it comes to writing poetry in English. As it happens, I was struck by the sheer music of Lamartine's Le Lac -

Ainsi, toujours poussés vers de nouveaux rivages,
Dans la nuit éternelle emportés sans retour,
Ne pourrons-nous jamais sur l'océan des âges
Jeter l'ancre un seul jour?

These are Alexandrines, of course, twelve syllables with a caesura in the middle and three stresses in each half, but that doesn't account for the music.

Note first the agreement of the vowels, esp the dominance of the long u and nasalized a. Then (if you excuse the liquid r sound), seul jour is the only example of two consonants next to each other, and l'océan is the only example of two vowels together. The rest is all a sequence of one vowel, one consonant &c. That's where the music is. (A lot more can be said of the poem, of course.)

Now, the sequence of vowel-consonant-vowel-consonant is much easier to create in French (and, though they don't have the advantage of French's nasalized vowel for n and m, other Latin-based languages like Italian and Spanish). Indeed, in English the effect is often easiest to create with words of Latin origin - eg imitation, immutability (or Greek - category, isotopic).

Nonetheless, in English an effect of lightness and smoothness can be achieved in the same way, though the nature of the language is such that it's hard to avoid putting at least two consonants in a row - in fact, if you use the word consonants then either you skip the second n by nasalizing the a, or you have three in a row.

We can, however roughly, list the consonants in order of their 'weight' on the ear - the degree to which they (often) slow things down if pronounced in full. (We're concerned with their sound when next to other consonants, of course.)

1. The plosives - p / b, t / d, k / g, ch / j - are heaviest, and the voiced ones (b d g j) are heavier than the unvoiced ones (p t k ch).

2. The fricatives - f / v, sh / zh, th / ð - are next. Again, the voiced ones are heavier.

3. s / z are also fricatives, but usually one shade lighter - sting, aspire, wisdom.

4. The liquids, l and r, are light and often (though not always) fit in easily - grew, flow, brow, slay - and for many speakers l is replaced by the semivowel w in words like milk (often pron miwk).

5. The nasals n, m and ng are also light, and can for some speakers sometimes disappear by nasalizing the preceding vowel rather than being separately sounded - ikem tax (income tax) &c.

6. h is light. So are the semi-vowels w and y.

A pile-up of consonants really slows things up - unsporting drunks' strength chopped dragsters down &c.

Then we have light and heavy vowels -

1. The triphthongs are longest and thus heaviest - layer fire coir power lower.

2. Next are the diphthongs - gay go guy cow goy ear air awe tour.

3. In the middle are the long vowels - beat, baht, bought, boot, burt.

4. Lightest are the short vowels - bit, bet, bat, but, pot, put and the neutral e (eg the second e in telegraph).

And (in English arching over all) we have the lightness or heaviness of stress - the place where your metre requires you to speed on or slow down.

Lightness in action -

Shall I compare thee to a summer's day?
[Bill]

Let us go then, you and I
When the evening is spread out against the sky
Like a patient etherised upon a table.
[Eliot]

But I guess that what'll happen if you settle on an atoll
is you'll get in rotten fettle living totally on nettle
turtle cuttlefish and beetle, vittles fatal to the natal
elan vital
[Apologies to the author - I forget where I got that.]

Heaviness in action -

Come, madam, come, all rest my powers defy.
[Donne]

Break, break, break,
On thy cold grey stones, O Sea!
[Tennyson]

What, they lived once thus in Venice where the merchants were the kings?
[Browning]

Maybe there's something in there to think about when the poetic pen is poised.

Regards / Dunc


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cookala
03-12-2002, 02:23 PM
Though I can neither read nor speak french, the rest of this is quite interesting and very informative. I think anyone who's concerned with the sound of poetry will benefit from your musings, Dunc. I know I will, so keep 'em coming. Thanks!

Urizen
03-12-2002, 10:33 PM
Very informative and, even more importantly, useful stuff here, Dunc. I especially appreciate the examples of piling up consonants and how they detract from the, *ahem*, er..... flow. I see that kind of thing happening in a lot of stuff posted on the Net, and in my own "work". Will be wary of it from now on.

Only one thing: I think someone stole your apostrophe key.

Bill

Scotty
03-12-2002, 11:10 PM
Fair go, Dunc!

I haven't even written a reasonable practice piece with adherence to any form yet and I have to absorb this too!

*groan*

Scotty (adding another chapter to his notes)

Dunc
03-13-2002, 04:40 AM
Glad if you find it useful, folks. There's more to poetic sound that just weight, of course.

Fixed the apostrophe problem - thanks Bill. Regards / Dunc

Rachel Lindley
03-13-2002, 08:38 AM
Originally posted by Urizen:
I especially appreciate the examples of piling up consonants and how they detract from the, *ahem*, er..... flow.

Piling up consonants is not necessarily a "bad" thing. Sometimes that dense, thickened weight suits a phrase, supports and/or enhances meaning, and slows a piece down when that's desired. The trick is recognising when it is.

Rachel

gecian
03-13-2002, 10:42 AM
I agree with the main point -- that writers ought to mind their consonants -- but the examples of lightness/heaviness could be explained perfectly well without reference to consonant density.

BREAK, ^ BREAK, ^ BREAK
COME, ^ MA dam, ^ COME
stresses close together

vs

LET us GO then, YOU and I
stresses loosely-packed, with unstressed syllables in between.

Stresses are isochronous in English, so, in a fixed time, one reads through the same number of stresses in heavy and light lines, but more syllables in the light lines. Therefore, the light lines appear to read faster. Slow = heavy, light = rapid. QED.

Of course, good writers would use all these effects to complement each other; but I'm still to see a consonant jam that is heavy principally due to consonant density.

Thanks for starting this thread.

Dunc
03-13-2002, 12:25 PM
Yes, but what if Tennyson, being inspired by a clock instead of a tide, had called it Tick Tick Tick?

I'm not in debate with anyone about stress / metre being probably the major factor - I called it overarching in the post above. And I'm in complete agreement with Rachel's point - be aware that there are ways other than metre to make your verses lighter or heavier in sound as the case requires (and not just consonants).

Keep an eye out for consonant-clumps in poetry (or prose, for that matter) that would be better avoided. I assure you they're around. Regards / Dunc

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gecian
03-14-2002, 04:46 AM
Is there a consonant clump in L3 of:

Now winter nights enlarge
The number of their houres;
And clouds their stormes discharge
Upon the ayrie towres.

Dunc
03-14-2002, 01:22 PM
I'd say so. Campion does it quite often -

With locks sparkled abroad - 'What fair pomp'

Heaven's great lamps do dive - 'My sweetest Lesbia.

And he also writes heavy lines -

Pale, with spangs wavering, taught to be moveable?

And whiles astonied, stark in a maze they stand. - 'What fair pomp'

When to her lute Corinna sings,
Her voice revives the leaden strings
(which I include because it's supposed to be a lyric, ergo light, but L1's t + C and L2's n + str are noticeable.)

But the question is, is this a vice, or just an explanation of his voice?

Regards / Dunc

gecian
03-18-2002, 11:01 AM
In the example from "Winter Nights", I don't see how it can be called a vice. Metrical "Heaviness" for clouds is pretty standard metric manipulation.

The others are all a case-by-case thing:

Heaven's great lamps do dive - 'My sweetest Lesbia.

-nzgr- is a bit difficult to go through, but I think the effect here is mainly metrical. HEAVN'S GREAT LAMPS do DIVE.

Pale, with spangs wavering, taught to be moveable?
And whiles astonied, stark in a maze they stand. - 'What fair pomp'

I think he's going for an effect (or two effects) here. Both of them are successfully musical. The second doesn't seem especially heavy to my ear.

When to her lute Corinna sings,
Her voice revives the leaden strings

Not heavy at all. Grammar places a slight pause between lute and Corinna, so -tc- is not a problem. -nstr- is quite light because of the nature of the consonants, and the famliarity of the combination.

These things must have mattered less for Campion than for subsequent writers, because he intended most of his lyrics to be sung. For the singing voice, consonant density matters very little.

Dunc
03-18-2002, 12:58 PM
Pigs. That's to say, depending on the circumstances it can matter a lot. One of the most admired qualities of lyric is - horresco referens - flow. As you move to drama (note my natural gift of oversimplification here) the longer and heavier and clumpier all can find their place in the right hands. In song, sound and feel matter more than sense and literary art.

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